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lautt 2009-6-5 03:23 PM

Shostakovich Symphonies 專帖

[b][i][size=5]1.) Symphony no. 5 [/size][/i][/b]
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[b]a) USSR State Symphony Orchestra (Svelanov, 1991)[/b]
[b](一流的演譯:smile_52: , 5*)
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvJHj6PWQ-Q&feature=channel]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvJHj6PWQ-Q&feature=channel[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JokfD5cquI0&feature=channel]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JokfD5cquI0&feature=channel[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgvPCJqqBGQ&feature=channel]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgvPCJqqBGQ&feature=channel[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oCqsSHWvt4&feature=channel]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oCqsSHWvt4&feature=channel[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0B5ZeNv8rs&feature=channel]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0B5ZeNv8rs&feature=channel[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4hTRd2-IQY&feature=channel]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4hTRd2-IQY&feature=channel[/url]


[b]b.) Berlin Philharmonic (Solti, 1993) 4th movement[/b]
[size=5]:funk: :funk: [/size][size=3](不要小看老人家啊!)[/size]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LNZriGEtG8&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LNZriGEtG8&feature=related[/url]


[b]c.) WDR Symphony Orchestra (Semyon Bychkov )[/b]
[b](2& 4th movement好過Barshai :smile_53: )[/b]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znE0G4UTL5g&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znE0G4UTL5g&feature=related[/url]
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay-5GT7QYw8&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay-5GT7QYw8&feature=related[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIRiGUjgvEQ&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIRiGUjgvEQ&feature=related[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZDxf555aM&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZDxf555aM&feature=related[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mSgyeUiaM&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mSgyeUiaM&feature=related[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CAzdeK0i_4&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CAzdeK0i_4&feature=related[/url]

請大家留言, 說說你們的感想!:handshake

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fongman 2009-6-5 09:39 PM

雖然不是Symphony,但是值得一貼~~
Novorossysk Chimes
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxQnc2kBUQY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxQnc2kBUQY[/url]

Festival Overture by St Peterburg Philharmonic, Y.Temirkanov.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkAzPI1xPI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkAzPI1xPI[/url]




Jazz Suite No.1 - Waltz
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DF5a99zK2c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DF5a99zK2c[/url]


Jazz Suite No.1 - Polka
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjrBOvY9AQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjrBOvY9AQ[/url]


Jazz Suite No.1 - Foxtrot
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyjxUFS7GiE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyjxUFS7GiE[/url]

Addaick 2009-6-5 11:32 PM

b.) Berlin Philharmonic (Solti, 1993) 4th movement

At this moment, lautt, I have just watched this video.
I think that the sound and the atmosphere is very good under the direction of Solti. However, the tempo Solti orefered is not my cup of tea.
The opening, for me, is quite slow, which doesn't bring out the march-like rhythm. The tempo from 0:19 to 2:42 is accel and is good.
The quite middle part is good too.
From 6:55 where the opening is repeated but quiter this time, it is the best I think in this video. However, I don't like the ending to be ended in such fast tempo......I think it ruins the movement.

Some very funny things to be appeared in the video. A man covered his ears in the beginning and an old woman talked happily.
Sometime later, some audiences behind the percussion coveres their ears when the suspended cymbals and gong are striked  with violent timpani strokes.

In the end, those audiences were watching the cymbalist and the timpanist.
I want to learn from that cymbalist! At this moment I still can't strike my cymbal like him.

lautt 2009-6-6 10:18 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]Addaick[/i] 於 2009-6-5 11:32 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=206920158&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
At this moment, lautt, I have just watched this video.
I think that the sound and the atmosphere is very good under the direction of Solti. However, the tempo Solti orefered is not my cup of tea.
T ... [/quote]

Thank you for your reply, you are so kind.... :smile_24:

My opinion on this version:

[size=2][font=新細明體]這個版本獨特之處係[/font][font=Times New Roman]Solti[/font][font=新細明體]同[/font][font=Times New Roman]Berlin Philharmonic[/font][font=新細明體]呢個組合。[/font][font=Times New Roman]BP[/font][font=新細明體]係[/font][font=Times New Roman]Solti[/font][font=新細明體]棒下同[/font][font=Times New Roman]Abbado[/font][font=新細明體]當時風格大不相同[/font][font=Times New Roman], [/font][font=新細明體]整隊樂團生龍活虎起來。[/font][font=Times New Roman]Solti[/font][font=新細明體]採用較快的速度[/font][font=Times New Roman], [/font][font=新細明體]比[/font][font=Times New Roman]Berstein (on youtube)[/font][font=新細明體]好好多[/font][font=Times New Roman], [/font][font=新細明體]即係[/font][font=Times New Roman]Berstein tempo[/font][font=新細明體]快但係無危機感,[/font][font=Times New Roman]Solti [/font][font=新細明體]就帶到[/font][font=Times New Roman]Shostakovich 5th[/font][font=新細明體]個種危機感出來。[/font][font=Times New Roman]0.00-0.20[/font][font=新細明體]雖然稍慢,但係一下一下的[/font][font=Times New Roman]timpani sound[/font][font=新細明體]反而增加其[/font][font=Times New Roman]alarming effect[/font][font=新細明體],樂團之後全速前進。[/font][/size]
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[size=2][font=Times New Roman]1.18-1.22[/font][font=新細明體]的[/font][font=Times New Roman]flute &piccolo[/font][font=新細明體]好清楚,[/font][font=Times New Roman]2.17-2.31 trumpet solo[/font][font=新細明體]下的[/font][font=Times New Roman]background string section [/font][font=新細明體]好整齊,[/font][font=Times New Roman]2.35-2.39[/font][font=新細明體]個[/font][font=Times New Roman]part trombone[/font][font=新細明體]都好清楚。[/font][font=Times New Roman]Percussion[/font][font=新細明體]巨響之後的演繹跟一般[/font][font=Times New Roman]cd[/font][font=新細明體]版本差不多。[/font][/size]
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[size=2][font=Times New Roman]7.21[/font][font=新細明體]後[/font][font=Times New Roman]Solti[/font][font=新細明體]開始發功,示意[/font][font=Times New Roman]woodwind & brass[/font][font=新細明體]加快[/font][font=Times New Roman]tempo[/font][font=新細明體],[/font][font=Times New Roman]7.39[/font][font=新細明體]示意[/font][font=Times New Roman]trombone[/font][font=新細明體]加強聲響,[/font][font=Times New Roman] [/font][font=新細明體]所以大家可以聽到[/font][font=Times New Roman]brass section[/font][font=新細明體]係個[/font][font=Times New Roman]part[/font][font=新細明體]好突出。[/font][/size]
[size=2][font=Times New Roman]8.58[/font][font=新細明體]後的速度比[/font][font=Times New Roman]Haitink[/font][font=新細明體]更快,原本一步一步的步向[/font][font=Times New Roman]victory[/font][font=新細明體]變成奔向[/font][font=Times New Roman]victory[/font][font=新細明體],[/font][font=Times New Roman]1st violin, 2nd violin, cello[/font][font=新細明體]好似拉[/font][font=Times New Roman]32[/font][font=新細明體]分音符咁[/font][font=Times New Roman]…..cymbals [/font][font=新細明體]十分出色[/font][font=Times New Roman]![/font][/size]
[size=2][font=Times New Roman]9.32[/font][font=新細明體]後的速度開始減慢[/font][font=Times New Roman], [/font][font=新細明體]意味著音曲的完結,有似睇卡通片經歷完一場危機後太陽西下回家的感覺。[/font][/size]
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[size=2][font=Times New Roman]Solti[/font][font=新細明體]指揮手法好[/font][font=Times New Roman]detailed[/font][font=新細明體]同[/font][font=Times New Roman] dramatic [/font][font=新細明體]:一[/font][font=Times New Roman]tick [/font][font=新細明體]、一勾[/font][font=Times New Roman] [/font][font=新細明體]、一劃都有意思[/font][font=Times New Roman] [/font][font=新細明體];左手[/font][font=Times New Roman]ok[/font][font=新細明體]手勢代表[/font][font=Times New Roman]p/pp[/font][font=新細明體],左手指著某個[/font][font=Times New Roman]section[/font][font=新細明體]代表要佢大聲少少。晚年的[/font][font=Times New Roman]Solti [/font][font=新細明體]同[/font][font=Times New Roman]Karajan, Maazel, Haitink[/font][font=新細明體]好唔同,後者晚年沈迷音色忽略樂曲原意,[/font][font=Times New Roman] [/font][font=新細明體]前者仍然著重樂曲原意,[/font][font=Times New Roman] [/font][font=新細明體]活力充沛。[/font][/size]
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lautt 2009-6-6 10:20 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]fongman[/i] 於 2009-6-5 09:39 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=206900086&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
雖然不是Symphony,但是值得一貼~~
Novorossysk Chimes
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxQnc2kBUQY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxQnc2kBUQY[/url]

Festival Overture by St Peterburg Philharmonic, Y.Temirkanov.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkAz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkAz[/url] ... [/quote]

Thank you for your reply!
Novorossysk Chimes 好少聽到! :o

Addaick 2009-6-6 12:52 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]lautt[/i] 於 2009-6-6 10:18 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=206961324&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


Thank you for your reply, you are so kind.... :smile_24:

My opinion on this version:

這個版本獨特之處係Solti同Berlin Philharmonic呢個組合。BP係Solti棒下同Abbado當時風格大不相同, 整隊樂團生 ... [/quote]

I haven't listened to the Berlin Philharmonic under the direction of Abbado so I don't know the quality of BerlinPhil in these 13 years. But I learn from other source that the quality of Berlin had become worse when Abbado was in the post.

I know the speed becomes faster in 0:20, but I don't like the sudden fast.....as well as the sudden slow at the end.

His手勢 is good looking, just liking sewing a cloth.

I just can't imagine how you will suffer when sitting behind the percussion. I don't feel noisy when I am playing timpani or cymbals but my fellow sitting in front always like this:smile_40:

Addaick 2009-6-6 04:54 PM

3 Shostakovich CDs from library!

I have just borrowed 3 Shostakovich CDs from the library, two of them are new and I am the first to borrow them.

1. Symphonies No. 5 & 9
    Royal Concertgebouw, London Philharmonic\ Bernard Haitink

2. Symphony No. 11
    London Symphony Orchestra\ Mstislav Rostropovich

[img]http://lso.co.uk/images/recordings/upload/21_large.jpg[/img]


3. Violin Concerto No. 1 & Cello Concerto No. 1
    David Oistrakh, Vioin  Mstislav Rostropovich, Cello
    New York Phil\ Mitropoulos, Philadelphia Orchestra\ Ormandy

[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51+OCuzUFDL._SL160_.jpg[/img]

Have someone listened to these??

lautt 2009-6-7 11:44 AM

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I haven't listened to the Berlin Philharmonic under the direction of Abbado so I don't know the quality of BerlinPhil in these 13 years. But I learn from other source that the quality of Berlin ha ... [/quote]

Probably it is because Abbado is overshadowed by the glamour of Karajan... :smile_19:
The style of Abbado is just the antithesis of Karajan's. While Karajan controls every single detail and the sound of each section in a piece of music; Abbado just let the orchestra sings, let it flows.
:smile_38: In my opinion, the standstard (technical skills, execution, musicianship) of BP is more or less the same throughout the past a hundred years. The main differenece is the sound it produces, which varies from conductors to conductors. Abbado is doing fine in maintaining the 德奧orchestral sound, but the sound is somehow ruined by Simon Rattle...:smile_22: :smile_22: BP is no longer the BP it used to be, it is just an advanced version of the Philharmonia Orchestra, London. :smile_45: :smile_45:
Just listen to the following extracts :smile_o01: :

[b]Mahler - Symphonie Nr.1 (Finale Extrait)[/b]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErXZ0a9W4d8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErXZ0a9W4d8[/url]

[b]ABBADO cond. Mahler Symphony #3 BPO Ferrera[/b]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6xJXhOzyI&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6xJXhOzyI&feature=related[/url]

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lautt 2009-6-7 11:55 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]Addaick[/i] 於 2009-6-6 04:54 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=207001450&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I have just borrowed 3 Shostakovich CDs from the library, two of them are new and I am the first to borrow them.

1. Symphonies No. 5 & 9
    Royal Concertgebouw, London Philharmonic\ Bernard Haiti ... [/quote]

I have listened to 1 & 2, but not 3. [img]http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb129/discuss-smilies/onion/020.gif[/img]

Shostakovich 5th under Haitink is a fairly good one in that RCO sound is supremely captured, thanks to the decca recording engineers. In terms of intrepretation, I think there is a lack of spark in the 4th movement and the finale is ended in a hurry....seems like Haitink cannot wait to rush to the washroom right after the recording session:smile_27: :smile_27: ...but the timpanini and the trio done by the strings and the woodwind is excellent!!! :smile_40:

For Shostakovich 11th, I think there are better options available, LSO live is not my cup of tea...:smile_39:
The middle of the 2nd movement is like dragging... a bit too slow and lacks tension.... 3rd movement is ok... um... I forgot how Rostropovich deals with the 4th movement.. :smile_44:

Addaick 2009-6-7 12:16 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]lautt[/i] 於 2009-6-7 11:55 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=207025999&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


I have listened to 1 & 2, but not 3. [img]http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb129/discuss-smilies/onion/020.gif[/img]

Shostakovich 5th under Haitink is a fairly good one in that RCO sound is supremely ca ... [/quote]

As a percussionist, I think that sound engineers never pay attention to the percussion part. In the LSO live, the sound of percussion, especially in the second movement, is not clear enough......I don't think it is the problem of percussionist, but just the sound engineer..may be he didn't put enough microphone there.

I also want to state out that, in RCO, for me, the mallet selection of timpani is not good at all....he was using the hard mallet but I think a medium hard mallet is the best.

lautt 2009-6-7 03:16 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]Addaick[/i] 於 2009-6-7 12:16 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=207028281&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


As a percussionist, I think that sound engineers never pay attention to the percussion part. In the LSO live, the sound of percussion, especially in the second movement, is not clear enough......I ... [/quote]

But don't you think that the sound is more solid using the hard mallet :smile_41:
It seems that the resonance effect is greater and it makes the beginning few lines more frightening ~
What are the different effects created by the different mallets used :smile_41: :smile_41:

:smile_44: :smile_44: :smile_44: :smile_44: :smile_44:
(p.s. Vladimir Ashkenazy conducts the Sydney Symphony as part of his Rachmaninov festival. This except from The Bells previews a partnership which will tour the [color=red]Far East[/color] this October, and embarks on a major European tour in 2010. link: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umGZhhF-KTY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umGZhhF-KTY[/url])

Of course including Hong Kong :loveliness:

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Addaick 2009-6-7 09:19 PM

Hard mallet may produce the sound of 地盤打莊 and is not brilliant at all.....Hard felt mallet is not make of yarn.
I have a DVD featuring Maxim Shostakovich conducting his father fifth symphony. I think that is the best interpretation of the symphony so far.....not just because of the mallet selection but also the tempo and the atmosphere.

Composers such as Berlioz, Mahler and R. Strauss always state out which mallet to be used in specified passages in the score. However, mallet selection always refer back to timpanist's own preference or conductors' decision. Even for a Mozart or Beethoven symphony, types of mallet to be used can be somewhat up to four or five. Why needs to use different mallets? It is because to suit the atmosphere and nature of the music. For example, you usually use soft mallet to make roll and hard felt mallet to play stattaco. The selection is very subjective so there is no model answer.
You may see in a concert that timpanist may bring 8 to 9 pairs of mallet to the stage and may change their mallet during a piece.
Take an example: Beethoven's sixth symphony, fourth movement, which features timpani mainly in roll. Some may choose soft mallet because it is easier to roll and booming effect can be achieved, while some may choose hard felt mallet because thunder and "resent" effect can be achieved.

So far, I find the mallet selection in Beethoven's ninth symphony is the most tricky one. And notable change of mallet is the third movement of Bruckner's seventh symphony.

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You mean that Sydney orchestra will play all-Rachmaninov programmes?

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maulee2008 2009-6-8 02:42 PM

3. Violin Concerto No. 1 & Cello Concerto No. 1
    David Oistrakh, Vioin  Mstislav Rostropovich, Cello
    New York Phil\ Mitropoulos, Philadelphia Orchestra\ Ormandy

好正!! David Oistrakh & Mstislav Rostropovich 2 大高手!! :victory:

BTW, 香港有無玩過 symphony No.11 '1905' ah??

Addaick 2009-6-8 04:00 PM

A 3-minute video of Mravinsky conducting the fourth movement, the opening tempo is my cup of tea!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0iqZbM1Pdc&feature=PlayList&p=97D806CA80C6FE20&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0iqZbM1Pdc&feature=PlayList&p=97D806CA80C6FE20&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3[/url]

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lautt 2009-6-8 06:54 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]Addaick[/i] 於 2009-6-7 09:19 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=207096587&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Hard mallet may produce the sound of 地盤打莊 and is not brilliant at all.....Hard felt mallet is not make of yarn.
I have a DVD featuring Maxim Shostakovich conducting his father fifth symphony. I t ... [/quote]

Thank you very much, percussion expert! :smile_38: :loveliness:
So what kind of mallet is the timpanist using in the the USSR Symphony Orchestra (as posted above) :smile_41:
I am sure that most of the timpanists would use hard felf mallet to play Stravinsky's Infernal Dance in the Firebird ballet suite, am I correct :smile_41: :loveliness:

Abbado conducting BP:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTGrHibHrNg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTGrHibHrNg[/url]

lautt 2009-6-8 06:55 PM

[quote]原帖由 :smile_19: :smile_19: :smile_19: [i]maulee2008[/i] 於 2009-6-8 02:42 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=207193792&ptid=9842356][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
3. Violin Concerto No. 1 & Cello Concerto No. 1
    David Oistrakh, Vioin  Mstislav Rostropovich, Cello
    New York Phil\ Mitropoulos, Philadelphia Orchestra\ Ormandy

好正!! David Oistrakh & Mst ... [/quote]

yep, just some fragments from 2nd and 4th movement in a "movie concert" conducted by Wong Tai Tak :smile_35:

Addaick 2009-6-8 09:15 PM

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I am not an expert, though.:loveliness:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timpani_sticks.jpg]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timpani_sticks.jpg[/url]
Find from Wiki, this picture contains different types of timpani mallet. However, there are still other types of mallets not captured in the photo, including the common soft mallets.
For the USSR, I think he was using the mallet similar to the 圖左第二對.
For Solti, I think he was using hard felt mallet 圖右第一對
For Abbado, I think he was using the black mallet or the small red mallets.

The most important thing is that there is no model answer of using a pacticiular pair of mallet to play for the passage.....It is very subjective.

Apart from timpani mallet, other percussion instruments also have selection: different size of crash cymbals, different size of gong, different size of triangle, thickness of triangle beater, different hardness of xylophone, glockenspiel mallet....

Thanks for uploading the Firebird extract. I think this passage is the most exciting part throughout the music. The xylophone part is very difficult. And if only four percussionists are employed, a player has to change from triangle to gong in three seconds.

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lautt 2009-6-9 10:22 AM

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I am not an expert, though.:loveliness:

[img]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timpani_sticks.jpg[/img]
Find from Wiki, this picture contains different types of timpani mallet. However, there are still othe ... [/quote]

I think the timpanist of the USSR Symphony Orchestra is using 圖右第一對 in stead. They are rectangular ones but not the round (sphere-like) ones. :smile_53:

I have seen a percussionist playing a triangle and a tambarine at the same time, see the link below:
[b]Tchaikovsky Snowmaiden - Dance of the Thumblers (3) [/b]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnbNf2qb4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnbNf2qb4g[/url]

See at 2.42, the percussionist is busy playing 2 instruments at the same time! :victory:

Have you ever seen 4 percussionists playing xylophone at the same time, the scene is magnificent! :smile_52:
See how Edo de Waart conducting the Netherlands Radio Philharmonic Orchestra in John Adams' work:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9HwidzmxM&feature=PlayList&p=3F13B216F5A2EFBC&index=1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9HwidzmxM&feature=PlayList&p=3F13B216F5A2EFBC&index=1[/url]


What do you think about the percussionists? :loveliness:

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Addaick 2009-6-9 11:53 AM

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I can't see him how to play the triangle and tambourine at the same time.....It is too far away.

What is the history of this piece by John Adams? I know very little about John Adams. For me, while listening, I can think of a group of horses running on the hill freely.

No, lautt, there is only one xylophone, nearest to the camera. And then two vibraphones and the farest is the marimba.
Vibraphone and marimba were newly invented instruments in 20th centuary. You can find vibraphone in Berg's Lulu Suite.

maulee2008 2009-6-9 01:01 PM

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Wong Tai Tak !! :(

maulee2008 2009-6-9 01:03 PM

My Fav Shostakovich are his symphonies No. 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 14 :)
Also his violin concerto, Piano Concerto 2, his cello concerto and his string quartets.

Addaick 2009-6-9 02:02 PM

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Wong Tai Tak !! :( [/quote]

Is Wong Tai Tak a good conductor?
My father, who knows nothing about classical music, knows him as a doctor and crticising him of always staying in overseas after taking the post in HKPO.

lautt 2009-6-10 07:42 AM

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I can't see him how to play the triangle and tambourine at the same time.....It is too far away.

What is the history of this piece by John Adams? I know very little about John Adams. For me, while  ... [/quote]

左手邊最左的percussionist :smile_38:
You may refer to the link here to know more about John Adams: [url=http://www.earbox.com/]http://www.earbox.com/[/url]
He was a Harvard graduate and was one of the composer-in-residence of the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra. During his stay in San Francisco, he has established a close relationship with Edo de Waart, that is why de Waart really knows how to conduct John Adams' work. John Adams' style is similar to John Cage, that is minimalist style.
Some more of his work:
John Adams: The Death of Klinghoffer (2001) - Night Chorus
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAE3fsDz0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAE3fsDz0I[/url]

John Adams: Violin Concerto (2001) - Ending
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxNVzV39Bc&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxNVzV39Bc&feature=related[/url]

John Adams: The Chairman Dances
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYy5pmpIM-U&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYy5pmpIM-U&feature=related[/url]

To me, the music I have posted yesterday is just like observing cell division, mitosis, under the microscope. But it feels like viewing the Grand Canyon from a helicopter for the latter part of the music, so it is quite magnificent, simple rhythm and orchestration though.   :loveliness:

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Does your school take part in the HK School Music Festival every year :smile_41:
....should be the best school orchestra in Hong Kong, I bet :smile_44:

lautt 2009-6-10 07:45 AM

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Is Wong Tai Tak a good conductor?
My father, who knows nothing about classical music, knows him as a doctor and crticising him of always staying in overseas after taking the post in HKPO. [/quote]

He is a Harvard Medic. grad. as far as I know. And he was once the assistant conductor of the New York Philharmonic :smile_45: :smile_45:
However, I think he is one of the "not so good" artistic director of HKPO. Some of the critics say that he just doesn't care about the woodwind section at all; he also has a bad relationship with the musicians...:smile_42: :smile_43:

Addaick 2009-6-10 09:48 AM

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I can see that player but I can't observe how he can play two instruments at the same time because the camera is too far away.
I once had a chance to play two instruments together: traingle and suspended cymbal.

Negative. My school has no orchestra. We have a concert band and a string orchestra with little orchestral accomplishment sometimes. I am the percussionist in the band and sometimes may shift to the string orchestra.
We had took part in the 2008 HK School Music Festival but not this year. We entered into the senior contest and as I remember, got the last place or the second last place.
For this school year, we band had participated in the 2008 Hong Kong Youth Music Interflows in last December....We got Bronze award...........the fact is that all participated school had awards.......there were 10 schools got the bronze award.
These contests are dominated by some schools all the time.

I am not in DBS or LSC.

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lautt 2009-6-10 08:31 PM

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I can see that player but I can't observe how he can play two instruments at the same time because the camera is too far away.
I once had a chance to play two instruments together: traingle and suspe ... [/quote]

I see, Addick~~
But what are suspended cymbals? Cymbals suspending in the air?! :smile_14: ;P ;P
The last episode of the Hong Kong Schools Music and Speech Festival will be broadcasted on >>><<< Pearl between 8.45-9.15a.m. tomorrow, see the link below: :smile_38:
[url=http://www.hksmsa.org.hk/]http://www.hksmsa.org.hk/[/url]

I don't think LSC much effort in their school orchestra even though they have quite a lot of members, but their Chinese School Orhcestra is quite good (Champion or 1st runenr-up in the past few years) .
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Have you watched this video before?
San Francisco Symphony Orchestra Percussion
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFh43iCUJs&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFh43iCUJs&feature=related[/url]

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lautt 2009-6-10 08:36 PM

[b][size=3]1d) Shostakovich 5th - Tilson Thomas (San Francisco Symphony Orchestra)[/size][/b]
[b][size=3][/size][/b]
[b][size=3]1st mov.[/size][/b]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qhREaPYLw0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qhREaPYLw0[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqn3xl1jIIk&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqn3xl1jIIk&feature=related[/url]

[size=3][b]2nd mov.[/b][/size]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXQbaWkINEc&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXQbaWkINEc&feature=related[/url]


[b][size=3]3rd mov.[/size][/b]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi3zcILtS1g&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi3zcILtS1g&feature=related[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hna6Sb4RtE8&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hna6Sb4RtE8&feature=related[/url]

[size=3][b]4th mov.[/b][/size]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfvBz3huGZU&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfvBz3huGZU&feature=related[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axN0A5n-4yA&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axN0A5n-4yA&feature=related[/url]

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Addaick 2009-6-10 08:42 PM

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Not at all. You never see a suspended cymbal? The sound is "sssssssssss" with cresendo very often.
The first strike in Mahler First Symphony fourth movement is the suspended cymbal.
whay is the programme brocasting? Orchestra or Choir?

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hpcywong 2009-6-11 02:03 AM

我睇完 lady macbeth + 再聽埋symp 4 & 8,感覺到Shostakovich 既音樂,表達左佢生活係蘇共政權,在偉大光榮的共產主義之下,快樂生活既感受,同埋佢對共產主義既感恩之情

lautt 2009-6-11 10:02 AM

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Not at all. You never see a suspended cymbal? The sound is "sssssssssss" with cresendo very often.
The first strike in Mahler First Symphony fourth movement is the suspended cymbal.
whay is the prog ... [/quote]

Oh, those are suspended cymbals!! Is there an axis in the middle of the cymbal? :smile_14:

It is a recording which is a combination of choir, orchestra and individual performance.
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