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KYCF 2015-5-4 12:34 PM

懷錶機芯 --- Waltham 20世紀初的量產機芯

入手兩枚中古懷錶機芯。是大廠Waltham於20世紀初生產的Hunter Pocket Watch專用機芯。Dial造型典雅,芯雖然是量產,但亦精緻。
中了毒,希望向各大大請教及交流。

eta2892a2 2015-5-4 01:06 PM

pppdddaaa兄好多年前指教過小弟,如果新入門接觸袋錶的話,那個年代美國製造袋錶(袋錶機芯)性價比係好高既。因為當時美國正正係工業革命黃金時期,美國錶廠相對歐洲錶廠產量多,質素佳。

就如K總兩隻 Waltham,珠寶套筒、定位螺絲、螺絲平衡擺輪、擺輪橋彫刻等,見到高級機芯應有既都有。白瓷面製作質素亦唔差。你同意嗎?

KYCF 2015-5-4 02:46 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]eta2892a2[/i] 於 2015-5-4 01:06 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=415954741&ptid=24642661][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
pppdddaaa兄好多年前指教過小弟,如果新入門接觸袋錶的話,那個年代美國製造袋錶(袋錶機芯)性價比係好高既。因為當時美國正正係工業革命黃金時期,美國錶廠相對歐洲錶廠產量多,質素佳。

就如K總兩隻 Waltham,珠 ... [/quote]
版大,小弟就係見到呢兩枚機芯係Waltham出品,印象中喺IWC出版的一本有關其創辦人F. A. Jones書中見過。這個美國人就是想把美國在量產技術跟瑞士工藝結合。所以咪買回來研究一下。
正如版大所言,這兩枚機心,雖然年代久遠,亦為量產,當年機械工具技術亦不先進,但居然同現今那些所謂大品牌的懷舊機芯,有過之,而無不及。
入手只不過一舊水,未加運費,買三百隻都未買到一隻大品牌的入門版。但樂趣無限!
中毒了。
:smile_o16:

newcomer131 2015-5-4 08:20 PM

K總你上次用學野心態上帖,今次身體力行,恭喜。

題外話,玩厭左,記得通知我,等我學下野。



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KYCF 2015-5-4 10:45 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]newcomer131[/i] 於 2015-5-4 08:20 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=415983771&ptid=24642661][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
K總你上次用學野心態上帖,今次身體力行,恭喜。

題外話,玩厭左,記得通知我,等我學下野。



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品牌野比較易上手。懷錶就深不可測。
不過高手版版都有,虛心就有人教㗎啦。
:smile_o06:

newcomer131 2015-5-4 11:12 PM

回覆5 #的帖子

其實經常都有在這版睇pppdddaaa, code breaker, cookie 及eta版大等前輩的帖及留言。
現在有你加入,我可以學多D。



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KYCF 2015-5-4 11:15 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]newcomer131[/i] 於 2015-5-4 11:12 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=415998163&ptid=24642661][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
其實經常都有在這版睇pppdddaaa, code breaker, cookie 及eta版大等前輩的帖及留言。
現在有你加入,我可以學多D。



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Newcomer兄近排進步神速,大家一齊學野啦。
:smile_o05:

藍色的雨傘 2015-5-5 12:33 AM

回覆 #1: 懷錶機芯 --- Waltham 20世紀初的量產機芯

想不到K兄會迷上懷錶!

看起來,這兩款機芯
歷經不少風霜
K兄你是打算改裝成手錶嗎?



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pppdddaaa 2015-5-5 01:49 AM

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Welcome K-BIG go into the world of pocket watch~
YES, US pocket watch is really good for start and also it have lot of beautiful examples still can be get nowadays with fraction of cost on wrist watch.

Waltham is the one of the leader on US watch market, also we have Hamilton, Illinois, Rockford, Elgin, E-howard, Columbus... all are big name with superb quality watch.

It have lot of history background can be study and US pocket watch are "well documented" on web and often you can search lot of info. by lookup the movement serial number on some website to get the mfg. details, lot size, total production no.

This 2 Waltham movement should be 6 or 8 size hunter with stem wind and set.
YES, this is a high volume examples but you still can found the gold jewel setting, gold weighted balance... lot of features you only can found 100k HKD wrist watch.

In US market, the jewels count are everything.
23Jewels already in the top line but you still can found some rare examples with 24, 25 and 26jewels.

Also, Railroad standard pocket watch is one of the major market on US pocket watch.
Only 18size or 16size open face with at least 17jewels and 3 adjustments can be the railroad watch.
The accuracy also important and the specification is less than 30secs. per week (remember it is Year 189x)

It still have lot lot lot thing can discuss and it will never turn back indeed :smile_40:
Give you one of the example for the must have item made by Waltham:

Waltham Riverside Maximus Model 1888 hunter case
[img]http://www.antique-pastime.com/images/item/2014/10/26/5627.jpeg[/img]
[img]http://www.antique-pastime.com/images/item/2014/10/26/5623.jpeg[/img]

Sadly it is not mine...

[[i] 本帖最後由 pppdddaaa 於 2015-5-5 01:52 AM 編輯 [/i]]

KYCF 2015-5-5 09:35 AM

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想不到K兄會迷上懷錶!

看起來,這兩款機芯
歷經不少風霜
K兄你是打算改裝成手錶嗎?



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傘兄,小弟對懷表嘅興趣出於對機械表的好奇。
兩年前去了啟蒙品牌的watchmaking class, 在導師指導下,把一枚機芯化整為零,又合零成整。不禁驚嘆如何由一堆零件變成一隻手表。
總覺得喜歡腕錶的,應該對其中的機械及歷史有所認識才是,所以就買回來看看。
不得不說:懷表很美!

KYCF 2015-5-5 09:53 AM

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Welcome K-BIG go into the world of pocket watch~
YES, US pocket watch is really good for start and also it have lot of beautiful examples still can be get nowadays with fraction of cost on wrist watc ... [/quote]
上次大哥事忙,緣慳一面。
一次曲奇兄回港,一定要聚一聚,等小弟學下野。
PDA兄的詳述令小弟對懷表的興趣幾何級數的倍增。
我喜歡追源尋根,有文獻記載,就令小弟化身偵探。好玩。
我亦喜歡尋寶,在浩瀚的懷表世界裏,時刻都存在著機會,刺激。
小弟也喜歡辨偽,過程鬥志鬥力,考心思亦考眼光。

我會好好記住以下重點:

石數的重要性
文獻追蹤源頭
秒差
不同類型的懷表對功能及外觀的嚴格要求

謝謝PDA兄

eta2892a2 2015-5-5 07:47 PM

pppdddaaa兄先係真正前輩。見過pppdddaaa兄既 military reference deck watch 同其他唔同歐美廠袋錶,隻隻都有自己故事,真係大開眼界,有機會K總真係要見識下呀!  :loveliness:

藍色的雨傘 2015-5-5 11:43 PM

回覆 #10: 懷錶機芯 --- Waltham 20世紀初的量產機芯

K兄!

懷錶美,而且相對地
也較為價廉

小弟也是抱著
對鐘錶歷史好奇
顯淺地接觸懷錶世界

總希望能找支心頭好
然後改裝成手錶
重新轉動運行

P.S
PDA兄分享如此毒的Waltham:smile_40:
夾板上花紋雕刻
真是太美了!



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pppdddaaa 2015-5-6 12:33 AM

Thanks everyone but I still learning on this road of collection.
I only have few pcs. and Code breaker ching, Cookie ching really have lot of masterpiece.
Especially Code breaker ching have lot of super rare English fusee deck watch really my dream...

For K-BIG, I would like to suggest a book for you and this is a very interesting book.
This book contains lot of pocket watch photos and information, also lot of old drawings and ad.
You can forget the price info and only looking on the old photos about the pocket watches is good enough.

Complete Price Guide to Watches (Pocket watches)
[img]https://securelink.midpt.com/tinderboxpress.com/images/CPGTW13cover.jpg[/img]

pppdddaaa 2015-5-6 12:49 AM

One more point:

On US market, the pocket watch movement and pocket watch case most of the time is selling in separate.
Beside the early model (key wind before 187x year), you should fit a 18size movement on any 18size pocket watch cases.
For lot of reason 1 pocket watch case may used for multiple movement in different time period, then you may found different screwed locations in the case ring edge.

So, the main point is we should consider the case as "original" if your pocket watch are well fitted inside the case without extra screw mark.
BTW, no one will care if your pocket watch sitting in a really beautiful cases.

On the other side of world, most of the Swiss factory produce their own pocket watch movement and cases.
So, it never fit a PP movement into a VC watch case.

Especially on English fusee pocket watch, some movement need custom build cases to fit for the winding stem structure.
Then we should preparing for no one can fit your rarely found fusee movement only.



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上次大哥事忙,緣慳一面。
一次曲奇兄回港,一定要聚一聚,等小弟學下野。
PDA兄的詳述令小弟對懷表的興趣幾何級數的倍增。
我喜歡追源尋根,有文獻記載,就令小弟化身偵探。好玩。
我亦喜歡尋寶,在浩瀚的懷表 ... [/quote]

cookie2013 2015-5-10 03:17 AM

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哇!我呢啲二打六,跟上面班大大相距千萬里。
Newcomer兄近排進步神速,大家一齊學野啦。
:smile_o05: [/quote]

嗱! K總同Newcomer兄,請吾好擺小弟上枱,我只係一路玩一路學...



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cookie2013 2015-5-10 03:21 AM

同大家分享下依隻1940年代勞力士計時錶,搪瓷面, in mint condition .



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pppdddaaa 2015-5-11 08:52 PM

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The condition is very good !!

KYCF 2015-5-16 08:52 AM

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Thanks everyone but I still learning on this road of collection.
I only have few pcs. and Code breaker ching, Cookie ching really have lot of masterpiece.
Especially Code breaker ching have lot of s ... [/quote]
PDA兄,小弟最前已經入了這本書,當時目的只為對照一下1993年生產的IWC Portugieser Jubilee。
今次再拿出來看一看,發覺連懷錶也有詳盡介召,有排睇!多謝哂!

KYCF 2015-5-16 08:55 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]cookie2013[/i] 於 2015-5-10 03:21 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=416418591&ptid=24642661][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
同大家分享下依隻1940年代勞力士計時錶,搪瓷面, in mint condition .



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曲奇兄唔講唔知Rolex亦有出如斯典雅的懷錶!仲要係enamel dial, 又新!
大哥好野!
:smile_o12:

Amonng 2015-5-23 03:21 PM

:smile_o12: :smile_o12: :smile_o12:  EBAY BID?

KYCF 2015-5-23 09:20 PM

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:smile_o12: :smile_o12: :smile_o12:  EBAY BID? [/quote]

Yes ar...bought them from baybay.

pppdddaaa 2015-5-23 09:28 PM

Yes, that book have lot of Pocket watch information, really good to own one copy. :loveliness:

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PDA兄,小弟最前已經入了這本書,當時目的只為對照一下1993年生產的IWC Portugieser Jubilee。
今次再拿出來看一看,發覺連懷錶也有詳盡介召,有排睇!多謝哂! [/quote]
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